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Transformers: IGNITION - Page 9 by KrisSmithDW Transformers: IGNITION - Page 9 by KrisSmithDW
(Page updated August 5th, 2013)

First look at the Seekers in robot mode. These are just generic Seekers, the named ones get their own individual colour schemes.

REALLY wanted Bumblebee's line at the end to be a big epic "FUG YEAH" moment when combined with the next page :D

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Phenometron Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2014
Luck is on 'Bee's side this day. :)
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Mandyrobin Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Heh. He knows they're gonna get it. They always get it. Too bad they were picking on Bee, or I might actually feel sorry for them.
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KrisSmithDW Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
LOL XDD
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DragonFlame123 Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
They're gonna get it :D
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KrisSmithDW Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Probably :P
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DragonFlame123 Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
:evillaugh:
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Nortstar Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2013
I have to tell that Bee look  kind cute in last panel :)
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KrisSmithDW Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Awesome, then I did my job :D
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ArwingPilot114 Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
WICKED DESIGNS. 8D METHINKS THEY BE AWESOME~ :3 
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KrisSmithDW Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
YayE! :D   The Earth versions have the same roboty parts, just the "vehicle" parts are replaced with the Earth jet mode vehicle parts :D
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ArwingPilot114 Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
XD That really didn't make much sense... but I did get what you meant xD LOL 
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KrisSmithDW Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
LOL XDD
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ballisticCow Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Love Bee's expression in the last panel! The G1 nostalgia vibe I am getting from this makes me so happy! :D
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KrisSmithDW Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Awesome to hear, I am hoping for a LOT for nostalgia vibes for people, lots to come :D
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ballisticCow Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Excellent! :D
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KrisSmithDW Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:woohoo:
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Lemniskate Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013
I like the hands. Nice change of pace.
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KrisSmithDW Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thank you :D   I wanted a little bit of "uniqueness" for this project, and I'll admit I sorta regretted it as they are far more time consuming than the normal, simpler hands I usually draw for TFs, but I already went this far with them, I'll have to suck it up and deal with it lol XD
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Lemniskate Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013
The whole project looks utterly time-consuming. How many hours does making one page take?
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KrisSmithDW Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm... not sure?  Well, yet, anyways.  There's a lot of prepping stuff at the beginning here that I wont have to worry about as much as I continue on which will speed things up considerably, but I will start to keep track of the average eventually as it will help me schedule my time better.  It took me about 4 days to do all 3 of these last 3 pages, but I was marathoning at points in order to catch up after falling behind, so its hard to gauge how much time it was.  But I'll know soon! :P
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MystAngel-Wings Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013
Epic! Awesome job on the page layout and expressions!
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KrisSmithDW Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks kindly!  I love my expressions :D
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MystAngel-Wings Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013
I love them too!
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KrisSmithDW Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
yaye!! :D
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KaijuDuke Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013
Oh boy, bad things are about to happen to these three unfortunate seekers, but at least they established that they're competent soldiers (unlike all the decepticon shock troopers from Transformers prime lol)
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ACdraw Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Uh, dude, I don't mean to undermine, but these guys haven't exactly done a whole lot yet. They've certainly not proven themselves anywhere near as dangerous as the Vehicons at their best were depicted in "Prime".
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KaijuDuke Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2013
To each their own, its cool, but I find it difficult to think of the Vehicons as dangerous since the only autobot they ever kill was Cliffjumper, through sheer numbers. They had one or two good moments early in season one before the named cons showed up and from then onward they got weaker and more inept...Its not a good sign when an entire army can lose to only a handful of autobots >_<

I can see what they were trying to do with the vehicons on TFP, but they went from scary shocktrooper to puddy patroller/faceless mook rather quickly. Its hard to take the Decepticons seriously as a threat when the autobots can overwhelm their forces so easily, heck, even the Insecticons level of durability and strength dropped after their first two appearances. It doesn't help that some of Megatron's elites, namely Starscream and Knockout, were pretty bad at their jobs too, leaving only a handful of truly competent decepticons...Its kinda sad the Autobots have more kills under their belts than the villains of the story. Its a war and all obviously, but the number of cons who died compared to the number of bots (two, one of whom was a faceless dude named Tailgate we never saw) just makes the cons look incompetent. Doesn't help that Miko gained a power suit designed for cybertronians and yet made it work for her, a human child, & used it to pwn decepticons whom we're supposed to be intimidated by >_<
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ACdraw Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Exactly. When they first showed up, and with a few moments here and there, they were genuinely dangerous. So calling these guys better when all they've done is force an unarmed inexperienced Bumblebee off the road and look set to become Prime scrap in their first appearance, when the Vehicons beat the crap out of an experienced brawler like Cliffjumper and even prove challenging in one-on-one against all the Autobots besides Optimus in their's is seriously jumping the gun. I'm all for giving credit, but give it where and WHEN it is due. How do we know these guys won't be even more useless than the Vehicons? And I don't really see it as sad at all. Making the faceless troops out to be the ones who fail is A LOT better than the main characters like almost every other Transformers series to date. Plus, it's also pretty standard adventure writing. The troops are dangerous when the writers need them to be. Otherwise they provide easy conflict for the heroes. Stormtroopers and Foot Ninja are perfect examples. I wouldn't really call the named Decepticons bad, since they did end up providing several advantages for the faction over their mistakes. I will grant they could have been better. And well, Miko was wearing an INVINCIBLE suit of armour, so the point about her being able to beat Vehicons with it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
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KaijuDuke Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2013
It doesn't make sense because a human being shouldn't be able to use a super suit designed to be used by Cybertronians, why would it work for a tiny little human at all? Nothing more sad than watching decepticons get flattened by kids using tech that shouldn't even respond for them.

Yes, storm troopers are typically canon fodder type soldiers, only sometimes they're effective and sometimes they're just inept. The issue here is that by giving megatron a massive army that can't manage to overpower 5 to 7 autobots just makes it hard to believe Megatron's & his forces are the biggest baddest threat in the universe. It makes the Autobots look like Mary Sues and the Decepticons look inept...The dynamic honestly works better when both armies are the same size, like in G1 or Beast Wars. I understand what they were going for by giving Megatron the numerical edge over Optimus, it just didn't work, in MY opinion, its cool if ya disagree.  And like I said, Megatron's named warriors weren't that much better than his unnamed ones, considering no more autobots died over the course of the show as opposed to a sizable number of cons, both faceless and named (he had like one or two soldiers he could count on to do something right). And again, Cliff only fell to the Vehicons because he was ridiculously outnumbered (and it happened at the very beginning of the show, the only viewers who felt any impact over Cliff's death were those who remember him from G1, to a newcomer he was just a random autobot who's luck ran out), a tactic that never seems to work again.

The good guys always win in the end, but it helps the story more if we can believe the villains are capable of winning and actually do some damage to the heroes, the Cons suffered more casualties than the heroes did (which was only two, one of whom was never seen on screen, just barely in flashbacks in one episode of Arcee's past).

At any rate, I know the Seekers on this page are essentially cannon fodder too, but at least they come off as being more than faceless mooks (I can see Starscream & other named seekers arising amongst the ranks of such troops etc), & the fact that they're effective enough to take on even one autobot gives me hope for them (granted, I hope to see more of the named cons over them but ya know what I mean). At any rate, its just cool to see some oldschool G1 style bots and cons in action.
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ACdraw Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You kinda missed the point a little about the Apex Armour.
It had nothing really to do with whether or not it should work for her, but since it did, then there's nothing that means she shouldn't be able to use it against Vehicons and other Decepticons. That said, the Apex Armour is an adaptive technology, capable of working for any and all Cybertronians regardless of size, and considering it wasn't even built for or calibrated to modern Cybertronians (the ancients have been established in-series and elsewhere as being different by comparison), whilst I too initially thought giving Miko the armour was a little thoughtless (that and well, I still don't like Miko), there's nothing actually stated in the series that says it SHOULDN'T work, considering it responds to whatever manages to activate it.
That and well, it's really nothing new for humans to be shown being able to use Cybertronian equipment. That kinda thing goes all the way back to the G1 cartoon.

And well I'm still not seeing where the "named warriors were useless" thing comes from. Because several of the Decepticons near victories in the series are actually because of the contributions of guys like Starscream and Knock-Out (admittedly, they did have one huge mess up with the Terrorcon incident). And well, I'm also not really sure where the "kill count=victory" argument comes from, because barring a few noticeable acceptions, there generally ISN'T a lot of death on either side in a Transformers series. Christ, Animated Starscream didn't manage to kill anyone during his series. He's still pretty much more dangerous in combat that most other Starscream's throughout the entire series.
I should also point out that the Autobot casualty list is actually higher than two. And one reason why more Decepticons have died by comparison is because, thanks to Decepticon nature, THEY have been killing EACH OTHER as well.

And sorry, but no. These Seekers forced an unarmed, inexperienced lone Autobot off-road. Who was also outnumbered. 
So comparing this to Cliffjumper's beatdown? Sorry, Vehicons win. These guys are pure cannon fodder.
I should also point out that two Vehicons also went up against Arcee and Bumblebee, and only lost/retreated because Bulkhead showed up, and that ONE of them even managed to wrestle Bulkhead almost equally as well.
Don't get me wrong, this comic does indeed look great, but it seems an awful lot to me like you're favouring this purely because it's G1-inspired.
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KaijuDuke Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2013
I'm not missing any point about the Apex Armor, a human being shouldn't be able to operate a suit of power armor designed specifically for use by giant alien robots, its just common sense, otherwise the ancient autobots for fools for designing an invincible suit of armor that literally ANY alien lifeform could slip into and use to rip Cybertronians apart like they were made of tinfoil (though at least we can agree Miko is awful XD...Seriously, how many times did she put them all at risk just for cheap thrills?). I never minded Spike in the original series, he helped the autobots but he never jumped into a suit of unstoppable alien body armor & curbstomped decepticons (his aid was kept within reason & left the real fighting to the bots), heck, even Jack and Una, the cave kids, from Beast Wars didn't bother me (likely cuz they couldn't talk and only made a handful of appearances lol...helps that their aid was mostly coincidental, like when Una accidentally sabotaged Megatron's energon cannon).


I admit the cons had a handful of meaningful victories over prime, but in the case of contributions from guys like Starscream, it was usually due to sheer dumb luck, and it doesn't excuse his past actions or justify allowing him back into the fold (That's something I loved about TFA Megatron, when Screamer's betrayal was exposed, he gave him the boot, end of story, no second chances...Screamer as a rogue con is something I like, its just Prime decided to turn Screamer into the Waspinator of the series with his constant string of bad luck, cowardice, wimpiness, and overall stupidity...It REALLY makes you wonder how on earth he ever qualified to be second in command of the cons in the first place, any other named con besides Knockout probably could have handled the job better). I'd like to see a Starscream who's skills and intellect actually convince you that he's someone Megatron would have handpicked to be his righthand con prior to his ambition getting the better of him, maybe make Screamer more subtle & keep ya guessing as to when Megs will finally call him out on his treachery before giving him the boot or killing him off (or provide Megs with only a small number of cons to work with just like BW Megs so he can't afford to kill Screamer off without giving the autobots a numerical advantage). As for Knockout...He was pretty cool at first, but then it was like they gave up on giving him anything major to do beyond providing swarmy one liners or fanservice lol. He really wasn't a good doctor or scientist, which was made clear when Shockwave relegated him to assistant during Ratchet's stay on the ship.


As for Cliff's defeat, ANYONE no matter how weak can overwhelm just one guy (seriously, it wasn't just a single group of Vehicons, it was like an entire battalion or something), yet this tactic never worked again, and while I admit the Vehicons SEEMED to a real threat at first (I remember those instances well, its just that afterwards the show seemed to forget the vehicons were supposedly well rounded soldiers who could hold their own & descended into Putty Patrol level vulnerabilities), it eventually reached the point where any numbers of vehicons couldn't handle even one autobot...I actually felt bad for them a number of times, especially when Wheeljack was involved >_<...Or Miko, nothing sadder than alien shocktroopers being pwned by a child in god mode armor.

I do not favor this comic JUST because its G1 inspired, that's just the icing on the cake (the less Michael Bay influences the better). Prime introduced some interesting ideas for transformers (the use of space and ground bridges, the Nemesis actually working, Megs and Opt being old friends before the war, etc) but in the end they kinda lost that promising momentum they had in the beginning & had too many "Oh please" moments for me to fully embrace it, didn't help that the cons seemed to keep getting less competent as time went by no matter how great their numbers or how many tools they had at their disposal...Screamer and Knockout's comedy duo towards the end, etc

It might be time to call this conversation the quits since it seems to be getting more personal/heated, & I don't think we need to carry this debate/argument out here in the middle of the Ignition comic's comments. To each their own, right?
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ACdraw Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You kind of are, since I also pointed out in addition that humans being able to access Cybertronian technology is nothing new.
Hell, Chip Chase seemed to run Teletraan-1 better than any of the Autobots, and realistically Spike and Sparkplug should not have been able to do repair jobs on ALIEN LIFEFORMS, even if they were mechanical. But it happened nonetheless. They even showed Jack being able to operate a Cybertronian digger via the touch panels. Miko was capable of using the command's on Wheeljack's ship. Then there's the fact that Ratchet had been attempting to mix together human technology with Autobot tech for their base, and Raf's computer skills showed that the two are indeed compatible. Then there's all the stuff that MECH did.
It isn't common sense if the series outright defies the idea that such a thing is impossible; it's established by the series as being within the rules of the universe.

Plus, I should note that the Ancients were not Autobots. Heck, considering that the armour was built by Solus Prime, who was murdered by Megatronus Prime (which happened a VERY long time ago), then it's very likely that it was made prior to the Cybertronian race even KNOWING that other forms of life existed, so compensating for interference from an alien species wouldn't have been an issue, and with the inventor dead, no-one to correct that flaw in the armour. Heck given what the armour does, it could very well have been made originally as part of the effort to combat Unicron. Or even as a countermeasure should he return.

And as for Spike not being depicted as ridiculously overcapable... gonna have to disagree there very much so. The tfwiki even has a list they refer to as "Superhuman Spike" which happens. Heck, once he managed to knock one of Starcream's null rays off by tossing a rock at him. A ROCK. So yeah, he kinda did make the Decepticons look rather pathetic at times... and his instances are a lot less forgiveable or justifiable than Miko slipping on a suit of armour.

And I'm sorry, but this series actually for once, gave Megatron a REASON for keeping Starscream around. Namely, he's been second-in-command for so damn long, that he has vital knowledge of all areas of the Decepticon operations that is close to being unmatched. And, he actually does have moments of genuine cunning and sadistic threat. It was his idea to dispose of the Predacons and have the Autobots take the blame after all. And, to his credit, Megatron promised him that if he ever betrayed him ever again, no more chances. He would kill him. And Starscream swore loyalty to him and that he would change his ways. And it actually seems he was telling the truth about that, since he expresses what seems to be genuine grief when Megatron is killed at the end of the series. Admittedly, I do prefer how Animated Megatron handled it, but the way they answered the "Why doesn't Megatron just kill Starscream?" wasn't really handled too badly in Prime either.

Once again though, no. We're witnessing an outright rookie, get taken out by cannon fodder. That's it. He's not going down in a brawl (for the record, there were only half a dozen; not even close to a "battalion", so yeah, it was just a single group of Vehicons; two of which survived, one got knocked into the canyon, one got shot dead, the rest were taken out by the Energon explosion). He's getting shot at without being able to SHOOT BACK. That isn't even close to the same thing.
And your argument about anyone being able to win as long as they are outnumbered kinda breaks itself, since it does rarely (yes, it did happen again in the series, mostly not with fatal results, but it did, just thought I should point that out... even with Wheeljack) manage to happen again in the series.

This is getting personal? Really?
Because of a differing of opinions?
I apologize if my G1 comment offended you, but I have also seen comments of yours elsewhere that have seemed VERY pro-G1. And that combined with praising these guys over the Vehicons, when they actually have yet to do anything genuinely competent or threatening by comparison did give me that impression. So if I was wrong, then I'm sorry. But I prefer to measure ALL series' equally. And these guys just aren't anywhere near as threatening as the Vehicons were. If that will change I don't know, which I why I said it was best not to jump the gun and give credit where credit as due.
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KrisSmithDW Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
lol MOST are competent, there are a few exceptions, lol :P
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Taybrian1 Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013
Oooo, I love that sneaky little smile Bumblebee has.  Thank you for making him a talking version.  I was getting a little tired of the non-talking ones.
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KrisSmithDW Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
lol I really wanted more of a feel of the G1 Bumblebee that I grew up with, so he really does have to talk, lol :P  But I also wanted him to feel a little younger and inexperienced, but without the whole "attitude" of the TFAnimated version.  He's the friendly one, like he originally was :D
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LadySuzaku Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013
The Seekers look fab!

Hmm, Bee is smiling now? Who could it be?
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KrisSmithDW Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Glad ya like em!  The Earth versions look pretty much the same, just the vehicle parts are replaced with the Earth jet parts.  I tried to keep the robots the same on both planets, just with the vehicle parts replaced, so bumblebee will basically look the same but will have different feet and chest, Earth wheels instead of glowy cybertron ones, etc etc.

IT'S WHEELIE.  HE'S THE MAIN CHARACTER OF THE BOOK NOW. :P
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RagdollDark Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
OH. HOT SEEKERS. GIMME.
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KrisSmithDW Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
LOL XD
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BatArchaic Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013  Professional General Artist
Your seekers are lookin boss man.
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KrisSmithDW Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks!!  They look relatively the same on Earth, just the vehicle parts are replaced with the Earth jet parts.  I tried to keep the robots the same on both planets, just with the vehicle parts replaced, so bumblebee will basically look the same but will have different feet and chest, etc etc.
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BatArchaic Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2013  Professional General Artist
Ah, Okay.  I've never been excessively picky with redesigns.  I like to see what people can come up with.  You looks like you know what you're doing, I'm sure they all look great.
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Jamocha101 Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Wonder what he could be talking about...whatever it is, hopefully it'll ensure that he escapes...
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KrisSmithDW Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
naw, he get's eaten by sharkticons in the next page :P
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Jamocha101 Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I feel as though you may be lying.
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KrisSmithDW Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
NEVAR.
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Jamocha101 Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:stinkeye:
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Jamocha101 Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
*after seeing next page* Oh, is it SPOILER>>>>Optimus? :lol:
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KrisSmithDW Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
heehee :D
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Ryssa-Aquicoine Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
*blinks* Him? Him who? Ohhhh. *giggles insanely* I know! I know! *turns to next page, hoping its who it is*
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